and they continue to talk about education and research and that's not the answer. >> david, it seems as if -- and obviously i have a personal history and all of this, there's never going to be enough to make amends for the atrocities that have happened to kids, for those that have survived being abused at the hands of priests who have damaged relationships now, personally their relationships with the church. would you concede, though, that this commission is about starting and especially under pope francis, starting a new dialogue to help exactly what you're saying, to protect children from this point on and he's trying to freshen up what this conversation means, coming in behind pope benedict and recognizing that a lot of work needs to be done, especially in the transparency, so is this a decent first step? >> well, it would be -- i would love to believe that, but the sad, simple fact, of course, is that children are being raped and sodomized right now and priests are being transferred right now of the and with the stroke of a pen, pope francis could order every bishop to turn overa